Jets QB Tim Tebow Makes Sense With Eagles; Connecting the Dots in Philadelphia

[Xaos]

If he wasn't Tim Tebow in college, you just take his talents and put him in someone else's body, he's Collein Klein at Kansas State.

[Reveryroadie]

Originally Posted by G-men

It doesnt just work that way for small market teams. Theyre small market for a reason. Because not that many people care about football. Look at the Marlins. They had great attendance the first month of the season because they brought in a new team and a new stadium. People stopped coming though because the team sucked. Bringing in Tebow will be exciting for a month but if the team sucks it doesnt matter and then it becomes an unwanted distraction. Woody Johnson saw that the hard way

oh come on now, the Marlins had more off the field problems than most teams, starting with their "manager" saying how much he loved Castro. hell they were lucky people didn't come to the game just to put a bullet in his brain. when you piss off the locals they sure as hell ain't gonna come.

Tebow became a distraction because the Jets coaching staff made him a distraction(he is the back up QB, no he's gonna run the wildcat, no he's gonna be the punt protector). the staff did everything they could to sabotage his time as a Jet. EVEN when SANCHEZ deserved to be pulled from games, Ryan and Sperano wouldn't put Tebow in, they wanted to destroy the kid for their own selfish reasons(it all goes back to last year when he beat the Jets in OT IMO)

Hell in Jax Tebow will be better than any other QB they have on the team now. oh and any owner would love to have packed stadiums for a month, and if the team wins with Tebow then it stays packed.

[Xaos]

Originally Posted by Reveryroadie

oh come on now, the Marlins had more off the field problems than most teams, starting with their "manager" saying how much he loved Castro. hell they were lucky people didn't come to the game just to put a bullet in his brain. when you piss off the locals they sure as hell ain't gonna come.

Tebow became a distraction because the Jets coaching staff made him a distraction(he is the back up QB, no he's gonna run the wildcat, no he's gonna be the punt protector). the staff did everything they could to sabotage his time as a Jet. EVEN when SANCHEZ deserved to be pulled from games, Ryan and Sperano wouldn't put Tebow in, they wanted to destroy the kid for their own selfish reasons(it all goes back to last year when he beat the Jets in OT IMO)

Hell in Jax Tebow will be better than any other QB they have on the team now. oh and any owner would love to have packed stadiums for a month, and if the team wins with Tebow then it stays packed.

You realize the Jets didn't want to start Tebow at QB over McElroy because they didn't want the media circus, right? Not for "no reason" or anything like that. And they said from dayo ne he would be the backup QB but they would find ways to put him on the field, and that is exactly what happened. It wasn't a good decision in the first place, but they basically stuck to their word except for when they put McElroy over Tebow. But even when Tebow played, he was generally ineffective.

[Reveryroadie]

Originally Posted by Xaos

You realize the Jets didn't want to start Tebow at QB over McElroy because they didn't want the media circus, right? Not for "no reason" or anything like that. And they said from dayo ne he would be the backup QB but they would find ways to put him on the field, and that is exactly what happened. It wasn't a good decision in the first place, but they basically stuck to their word except for when they put McElroy over Tebow. But even when Tebow played, he was generally ineffective.

Tebow only got at most 4 to 6 snaps a game. how the hell do you expect him to be effective if he is not on the field.giving him 1 series a game is not getting him on the field.

[G-men]

Originally Posted by Reveryroadie

oh come on now, the Marlins had more off the field problems than most teams, starting with their "manager" saying how much he loved Castro. hell they were lucky people didn't come to the game just to put a bullet in his brain. when you piss off the locals they sure as hell ain't gonna come.

Tebow became a distraction because the Jets coaching staff made him a distraction(he is the back up QB, no he's gonna run the wildcat, no he's gonna be the punt protector). the staff did everything they could to sabotage his time as a Jet. EVEN when SANCHEZ deserved to be pulled from games, Ryan and Sperano wouldn't put Tebow in, they wanted to destroy the kid for their own selfish reasons(it all goes back to last year when he beat the Jets in OT IMO)

Hell in Jax Tebow will be better than any other QB they have on the team now. oh and any owner would love to have packed stadiums for a month, and if the team wins with Tebow then it stays packed.

Are you serious right now? You really think Marlins fans stopped going to games because of what Guillen said? You sure it's not because they are a small market and never go to games?

And your idea of the Jets "sabotaging" Tebow because he beat them makes you sound crazy. Seriously? The only reason Tebow wasn't played was because Ryan felt pressured into doing it and he's a stubborn ass who wasn't going to get pressured. It makes no sense for Sparano to do it either because he wasn't even with the Jets when Tebow beat them.

And I agree that Tebow is better than anyone in Jacksonville but it isn't going to fill up the seats unless they're good.

[GA_Eagle]

Small market is about the size of the media market the team is in. Miami is a pretty big market. Its in the top ten metro areas in the US.

[Reveryroadie]

Originally Posted by G-men

Are you serious right now? You really think Marlins fans stopped going to games because of what Guillen said? You sure it's not because they are a small market and never go to games?

They stopped going because Miami is home to the largest population of ex patriot Cubans. people who want nothing more than Castro overthrown and democracy to come to their island. that had more of an effect than anything on the field...oh and if miami is so "small market" then why have the Heat always drawn good crowds?

[LMD]

Originally Posted by DJBuckeyes

Which is exactly what some of the smaller market teams (i.e. Jax,) could use.

Jags were 20th in the league in average attendance this year and went 2-14. The whole "Get Tebow because no one goes to the games" saga is getting a bit overrated. The team struggled with ticket sales in 09, but after that when the potential of the team moving started sinking in, the fans showed up more. They haven't had a game blacked out since '09. In fact, more people, on average, went to see the worst Jaguars team in history (In terms of general record, and single game offensive output against the Texans in their first meeting of the season) than went to see the playoff-bound Minnesota Vikings and Cincinnati Bengals. Other teams with worse attendance include such large markets as Pittsburgh, Oakland, San Diego, Chicago and Detroit. Why don't any of those teams need Tebow?

Originally Posted by Reveryroadie

Tebow became a distraction because the Jets coaching staff made him a distraction(he is the back up QB, no he's gonna run the wildcat, no he's gonna be the punt protector). the staff did everything they could to sabotage his time as a Jet. EVEN when SANCHEZ deserved to be pulled from games, Ryan and Sperano wouldn't put Tebow in, they wanted to destroy the kid for their own selfish reasons(it all goes back to last year when he beat the Jets in OT IMO)

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This can't be serious... Can it?

Originally Posted by Reveryroadie

Hell in Jax Tebow will be better than any other QB they have on the team now.

Ok, I know I said I liked Tebow earlier, and I know neither Henne nor Gabbert are that great, but lets not get carried away here. Tebow dinks and dunks and runs. When he has to put the game in his throws, its all downhill. His schtick worked in Denver because he had a great defense. He put up a 46.5% completion percentage in his sophmore year where he played 14 games for fuck's sake. Those aren't QB numbers. Especially when he was running a dumbed down offense that looked more like a college offense than an actual NFL offense. If you think that shit would work in a place like Jacksonville which is entering a rebuilding a phase where there's very little talent on the defense to bail him out, you're nuts. As far as how well the offense can work, just look at what Thomas and Decker did this year compared to what they did last year. I've spent too long accumulating statistics for this post, overall, to be bothered to compile these year-to-year comparisons, but if memory serves me correctly, I believe both doubled their total receptions from 2011 with Tebow throwing, this year with Manning. So, we can't say Tebow was held back by his offensive talent.

Henne and Gabbert are inconsistent at best, but they've actually displayed an ability to be able to throw the football further than 10 yards and string together good passing games. Besides, for as much potential as Tebow has, Gabbert's got just as much; if my memory serves me correctly, I believe he's the youngest QB in the entire league. His big issue is decision making, which I've always been consistent in thinking is the easiest issue to fix for a QB.

Originally Posted by Reveryroadie

oh and any owner would love to have packed stadiums for a month, and if the team wins with Tebow then it stays packed.

Alright I've had enough of this "Tebow fills seats" charade. Fun Fact time: In 2011 with Tebow at the helm, the Denver Broncos averaged 75,327 fans. In 2012, with Manning at the helm, the Broncos averaged 76,632 fans.

Going further into this, in 2009, BEFORE Tebow was drafted the Broncos averaged 75,516 fans. In 2010, Tebow's first year in the league, the Broncos averaged 74,908 fans.

Then, looking at his other team; the Jets had 78,986 on average in 2011 and a whopping total of 79,088 in 2012.

So, putting the numbers together shows that Denver saw an average of 608 less fans per game immediately after Tebow's drafting and an average increase of 1,305 seats filled per game immediately after Tebow's trade and Manning's signing. The Jets then saw an average of 102 more seats filled post trade for Tebow.

And those are just home games. What do away games look like? Well, with Tebow on the Jets in 2012, the Jets averaged 63,702 fans attending their away games. Good for 28th in the league.

How did Denver fare in Tebow's 2 years there in away games? Well, in 2011, they had 63,374 fans on average at away games, good for 30th in the league. In 2010, they had 63,749, which was good for 27th in the league.

So, let's stop making it seem as if Tebow's some mystical figure that boosts sales indiscriminately. There is NO statistic, not a single one, that shows that Tebow has any significant impact on sales increases (Though, there is a lot of evidence to form an argument that he turns people away from games. ).

He's got loud fans, who have yet to put their money where their mouths are, and he has potential. None of that equals actually decent QB play yet OR increased attendance.

Edit: For anyone who'd like to check attendance records;

http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance